m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. And so. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. was declared extinct in 2011. Massachusetts and several other New England states have bear hunting, or harvest, seasons, which proponents say help control populations. State law protects all species unless otherwise noted. Oh well, not much I can do about that., William B., of Pittsfield wrote, I learned something from your column about invasive species. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. Peter Biello: Wow. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. Part of this belief is rooted in his journalistic experience, which across the decades has cultivated his nose for sincerity. Support NHPR by becoming a sustaining member today! It's listed as population of least concern. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. A lot of times. But a high-profile sighting in 2011 stirred up renewed interest in the animals here, when a mountain lion from South Dakota was hit and killed by a car on a Connecticut highway. There are two records of mountain lions in Massachusetts thatmeet the evidence requirements. Can you look into this picture. Mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire Whether mountain lions are in the Granite State has long been the subject of debate and conspiracy. Groton Mass Rail trail sighting - By Erica September 25, 2014 at 02:17:51 AM. Clearly, Puma concoloronce inhabited the forests of the Northeast, although its difficult to say in what numbers. They set the stage for the exotics to move in, and this has a huge impact on our ecology, he said. but won big 2night. By mid-19th century, forests made up only about 30 percent of New England (it's notable that today that number stands at approximately 80 percent, nearer to what it was when cougars thrived here). People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Thank you very much for listening. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Both male and female lions have similar appearance, but male lions are 30 to 40 percent bigger than the females, according to the Mountain Lion Foundation. Mar 1, 2017 - All the latest news and updates of New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Caller: Oh hi. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Please limit your input to 500 characters. The truth is, I was by this point dubious. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. The same with garlic mustard. Ottmann and I walked farther. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. As a scientist, lack of evidence is very good evidence. McCarter sent a sample to Dr. George Amato of the Wildlife Conservation Society in New York and Dr. Melanie Culver of the University of Maryland. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Re(3): Webster update - Misunderstanding. I mean it wasn't your idea. Is this kind of a typical story. We strolled across the tavern parking lot and ducked into the forest, where Ottmann maintains a portion of his $15,000 worth of wildlife recording equipment (hes had no luck capturing a cougar on camera, though, despite more than a decade of trying). Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. There was no sign of it. In certain situations, the similarities in the silhouette are remarkable. I mean they're a survivor. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Both cases meet the evidence requirements of MassWildlife. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. But that was OK. Bo Ottmannknew they were out there. It used to be that a bear would go into a house when someone wasnt home. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. I think that you probably are. It was a flooded area. Mountain Lion - By Steven Dupuis October 3, 2014 at 02:26:51 PM. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Q:While walking October Mountain just recently, I am sure I saw a mountain lion. A:I have hoped to see a big cat, that is bigger than a bobcat, since NatureWatch began getting reports in the 1980s. We know that strays have wandered through New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts; that does not indicate that a sighting means we have a resident mountain lion in the Berkshires. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. Here are some things to keep in mind if you come Multiple mountain lion sightings have been reported in . Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. At 6:20 on the morning of Aug. 20, Cheri Mazerall had just let her cat out the back door when she saw what she describes as a "beautiful, large beige/yellow" animal with "large feet and a long tail" come over her . Most of the reports I would not consider; a few from experienced hunters and outdoor people were hard to discount, although none of them had photographic proof or any footprints or scratch markings except for one naturalist that I have known for years. This isnt to say she believes none of these animals has stepped foot on New England soil over the past century. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. ghost, Re(3): didnt win the pwrball. Morse is a Vermont-based naturalist and the founder of Keeping Track, a nonprofit that trains people in the scientific protocols needed to detect, interpret, record, and monitor wildlife tracks and signs. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Re (3): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct - By weather01089 February 1, 2016 at 04:55:52 PM. For mountain lions in Connecticut, a lack of evidence is very good evidence. Just. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. It was not in any hurry. Caller: Hi. There was a lot of DNA evidence. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Yet I also remembered something Sue Morse had told me months before, as we sat in her living room drinking beer and chatting cats. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. Mistaken reports of mountain lions are most commonly bobcats. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. In the second camp, there are those issuing the denials, pointing to the lack of photographic evidence, or the absence of tracks, or the simple truth that many people dont seem to know the difference between a cougar and a bobcat and a lynx and even, in some cases, a golden retriever. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. In 1994, scat collected after a sighting in Craftsbury, Vermont, was found to contain cougar hair (the animals are prone to ingesting their hair while grooming), and the commissioner of the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department circulated a memo with the following line: It is possible that cougars of unknown origin may be breeding to a limited extent in Vermont. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. So do they. All the latest news and updates of New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board. Adult males can be around 8 feet in length and weigh between 130 and 150 pounds, while adult females can be 7 feet long and weigh between 65 and 90 pounds. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board, Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Re(1): Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Re(2): Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Re(1): Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Re(2): Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Sighting just over CT border into Vista, NY, Re(1): Sighting just over CT border into Vista, NY, VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(1): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(2): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(3): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(4): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(1): Mountain lion/bobcat?/North Andover. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. They were able to do all that by genetics. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Tracking experts Paul Rezendes, Charles Worsham, George Leoniak, and Dr. Mark Elbroch examined the photos. 3. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. He wore red suspenders and a baseball cap. On a mountain lion that died on a Connecticut highway. Now and then MassWildlife gets a report with a photo of a mountain lion. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. If theres a middle ground in the cougar debate, it belongs to John Harrigan, a veteran outdoorsman, newspaper reporter, and widely read syndicated columnist. On the other side, there are those (as represented here by Bill Betty and Bo Ottmann, along with a number of others I spoke with) who say the overwhelming quantity of anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. Thanks for your call. Okay. Here it is. How big was the animal? Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. Ottmann grew up and still lives just minutes from the tavern; his familiarity with the establishment was obvious (after we met in the parking lot, he led me into the building through the kitchen, greeting each of the staff by name). Thanks for a great thanks. I would always share potential sightings with Tom French, Ph.D., assistant director of MassWildlifes Natural Heritage and Endangered Species Program for nearly 35 years, now retired. The 70-year-old man was hiking . By mid-19th century, forests made up only about 30 percent of New England (its notable that today that number stands at approximately 80 percent, nearer to what it was when cougars thrived here). Its quite an uphill challenge for us to manage that situation right now. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. (You can download the article frommass.gov/doc/mountain-lions-in-massachusetts-distinguishing-fiction-from-the-facts/download.) They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. Yeah I did. Hear the full interview: Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, Manchester installs monitors to track air quality disparities. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. Or years or so. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. Attracting the black swallowtail butterfly to your yard is as easy as planting parsley and carrots in your garden. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. It is a gravel road and when the plows clear the road in the winter (or grade it in summer) they spread the invasive all along the edge. They sent it already. Mountain lions became scarce in the East after a bounty system wiped out most predatory animals. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Harrigan is 72 and lives just outside the northern New Hampshire town of Colebrook; he has a long, craggy face that seems almost to have molded itself after the mountainous landscape of his home state. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Thank you for your website feedback! ghost, Re(2): didnt win the pwrball. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. In the 37 years Ive been working, things have changed in ways Id never have predicted. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. Yes and you want to share what you learned. The regions top predator, the coyote, is classified by biologists as a mesopredator (a type that in New England includes skunks and raccoons), which feeds primarily on smaller animals. What time of day was it? How far were you from this cat. There's no attraction. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. I didn't see him online. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. . County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. [The catamounts] movements were so noiseless that Mr. Crowell found himself in this dangerous proximity before he was aware of it, and it was only by great coolness and daring that he severely wounded the animal and perhaps saved his own life, reads a placard attached to the display case. You wouldnt shake hands with a man like that, she said, and though she was smiling I could tell she was serious. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. ml central ma. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Betty had driven up from his home in Rhode Island. Love hearing these stories. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. Wildlife experts say no. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. For who but we humans can look across the landscape and not acknowledge our role in the diminishment of cougars and the myriad ways in which we have knocked the landscape out of balance? Morse, 70, comports herself in a friendly and no-nonsense manner. In March 2011, DCR forester Steve Ward photographed a track trail in the snow near the Gate 8 boat launch area of Quabbin Reservoir. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. Ive seen more field evidence in a couple of hours tracking out west than Ive seen in 100 years on the East Coast, he said. Confirmed reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts [Betty] and the other guys dont do this shit. It's one piece that he wrote, that I have used in discussing the possibility of hard-to-believe sightings and I quote, People are always hopeful that what they have seen is something unusual, rather than just common and mundane.. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. They certainly have, you know, lower levels of conflicts and home entries than we do here in Connecticut. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. MassWildlife cannot investigate or confirm mountain lion reports without any evidence. Theres probably 100 in Connecticut, Ottmann interrupted, rolling a cigarette as he spoke. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. October 24, 2010. in News World. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. Caller: Absolutely. To learn more about "lion country" in Colorado check here. Morse has been tracking cougars for 45 years, mostly in the mountains of the West, where their existence is not in doubt. (Dont use my name as others think Im crazy). I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Shop. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. Weve done a lot of work over the years investigating sightings. An official website of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, This page, Are there mountain lions in Massachusetts?, is. And it was this curiosity that led me to the Old Well Tavern in Simsbury, Connecticut, at a time of day (11:30 a.m.) that does not normally find me ensconced in the dim confines of a drinking establishment. A NatureWatch reader asks if a big cat they saw during a recent walk on October Mountain could be a mountain lion, like the one seen in this image from Pixabay. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. I met with Morse at her home in Jericho. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Peter Biello: Yeah. Learn more about the two confirmed reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts atmass.gov/dfw/mt-lions. Much as I liked Ottmann and Betty, and much as I found some of their evidence compelling, I was struggling to reconcile their more provocative claims with the restraint expressed by the many other experts Id spoken with. They are the same thing. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. OK. Two mountain lion encounters in his driveway. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. But other hard evidence of the big cats presence is elusive. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. Three females confirmed well ahead of predictioins, Re(1): Major news! I don't know if she still is. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. Peter Biello: Well yeah. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Mike you're on the air. Right. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. 172. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. They run to about 25 mph. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. What do you think that. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. It is a low, sprawling plant with small 1.4-inch scarlet flowers. This week, NatureWatch columnist Thom Smith answers questions about chipping sparrows, the connections between shadbush blooms and shad fish, and gives advice on how to attract butterflies to your yard. Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators., Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators, Manchester installs monitors to track air quality disparities. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. That's next time on one day. If you need assistance, please contact the Division of Fisheries and Wildlife. But that was OK. Bo Ottmann. If these animals are not in the habitat, what we see is an overabundance of herbivores., The ecologist John Laundre, who has spent 35 years studying cougars, concurs. The last three eastern cougars were killed in 1930 in Tennessee . Fish and Wildlife Service unofficially declared the Eastern cougar extinct. To Betty and Ottmann, the dominant narrative of the occasional itinerant cougar from the West is not particularly relevant to the facts on the ground.